This advice boiled down to "move out of Hevrice, staying is just plain stupid."
Before I move on, I'd like to start off by mentioning a few salient facts. We only started recruiting two weeks ago, many of our pilots are still moving, getting settled, building up their ships, etc. We only got our own comms, forums and killboard set-up a week ago. We are now at about 60 members, 5 of which are former Tuskers btw, and 90% of which have more than a year of playing Eve under their belts.
"This really is just general advice and im only giving it once, because it is to my own disadvantage. Move out of hevrice."
Remember, this wasn't emailed to me, it was posted on my blog. A blog read by a lot of people. Just two weeks in to our formation, recruitment and moving cycle. Already, they want us out.
"Now dont misunderstand,i dont actually want you gone (id much rather have you stay tbh), farming your corp is way to much fun but i really dont think your corp will stay healthy in any way if you choose to stay, the local competition is just to strong. Your corp members will just get farmerd till they lose all fun in small scale/solo pvp, nothing is fun in continuesly dieing to others without getting any real kills."
I guess W0lf is doing me a favor here, that's nice. He seems to forget that the best things are forged in fire. When I built Lucifer's Hammer we started in Syndicate ( which back then meant something! ) and moved to Curse, back to Syndicate and then onward. We looked for trouble. You don't build a pirate corporation on 'easy mode'. It just doesn't happen.
Are we getting "farmed"? Do the Tuskers do that? Strange. I'll be the first to admit that our record currently against the Tuskers isn't good. We have managed to explode 20 of their ships in two weeks, while moving in, so are those not "real"? They sure seem real to me. And to my pilots.
No doubt the Tuskers are far better organized and prepared than we are, plus they have their boosters in local almost 24/7 now, something they would never do before. Huh.
"I can see this going two ways, one is ecm and blobs all the time (its already starting) the other is quttting, neither of these are good options. I get why you as a person dont want to move (all your stuff is in hev and you have been in the area for a very long time), but setting up a noob corp where we live is just plain stupid."
Wow, are the Tuskers really threatening to use ecm and blobs against us? That doesn't sound like them does it? Wonder where that is coming from?
Quitting is a good point. I don't want my pilots getting frustrated and leaving, so I put this to a vote and discussion on our forums. Right now 92% of us want to stay. And you know what? Unlike the Tuskers, those that disagree with me won't be KICKED OUT! lol.
And now the big insult. "Noob Corp"? 90% of Stay Frosty is more than a year old. And, I might mention, some of our newer characters are veterans that wanted to join in order to "have a place to play". So I'd be careful in throwing insults that are not backed by facts.
"Move out, look for your own system, costolle, lisbataine or adirain or even a bit further out are all valid options for your corp to move while still sharing the main hunting grounds, but dont make your corp live in hev or you will ruin it."
So... move close enough that we can still 'farm' you? Why not move to the other side of the map? I mean, I don't want to ruin my new corp. Do I?
Let me be clear. I didn't decide to stay in Hevrice because of the Tuskers. I didn't decide to stay because I am lazy ( couple JF trips and we can be anywhere we want! ). I chose Hevrice because it is the PERFECT place to start a new corporation. Unlike other places in New Eden where people blob, station camp, or otherwise act in unpredictable ways, Hevrice is relatively normal. It is next to hi-sec and sits in the perfect confluence of system access. Trade systems are close, Syndicate is close, as is Black Rise, OMS, and other points of interest. This is why I decided to stay in Hev. (We won't be staying in Hev forever. The plan is to move on in about a year anyway.)
Trial by Fire sounds trite, but it is a universal truth. HTFU or die. Sink or swim.
We aren't leaving. More of us are coming. Much more.
To join Stay Frosty simply send in an app. Our public channel is easy to remember - EVEOGANDA.
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That said, I just want to address a couple of pieces of misinformation:
"No doubt the Tuskers are far better organized and prepared than we are, plus they have their boosters in local almost 24/7 now, something they would never do before."
This is simply wrong - I haven't seen us using boosters once while I've been online (we did have a cloaky Buzzard out at one point that was accused of boosting, but I'm fairly sure that doesn't count)! Don't forget that the booster characters we have - especially Sulei's - are also our regular alts. Just because they're online and in system doesn't mean we're boosting - most of the time we're not even in a fleet. I get that you're probably just trying to 'propaganda' us, but I just want to make sure your members don't really believe we're constantly boosted - we're as interested in fun fights as they are.
"I can see this going two ways, one is ecm and blobs all the time (its already starting) the other is quttting... are the Tuskers really threatening to use ecm and blobs against us?"
I think you misunderstood him there, he's talking about your guys. There have been a few times recently where a lot of the newer guys have been (completely understandably) unwilling to engage solo, and/or have brought ECM support to even the odds. Obviously we don't really enjoy ECM, so W0lf is probably worried that if the scales remain tipped, ECM in hevrice is going to become more common. Personally I think that's just a little pessimistic, but we'll see.
Keep pewpewing!
Lol. I'm just kidding of course. I voted for the bastard. I'll try to be online. Should be fun to hav Hevrice full of "celebs".
Are Tuskers difficult? You bet! W0lf right there is VERY good but the only way to get better is to fight good pilots. I have faced W0lf only twice, and must admit I weaseled out of the first one when I realized it was a silly encounter, he took his revenge very shortly after like the proper pirate he is. From those two encounters, particularly the first one where I was getting NOTHING done and he was dictating range like a boss, I learned a LOT. I always learn lots from good pilots.
Having Tuskers around is good for us. We'll take advantage of the learning experience and in time both corps will have excellent fights with each other, not to mention the area will become Red Zone to anyone traveling by.
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As a general guide, if we're doing ad-hoc stuff in Hevrice rather than a roaming gang, it's very unlikely that we'll have links. If your guys are concerned, just tell them to ask us - most of us will be very up front about whether we're using links or not, and even those who are would probably rather dock them up and get a fight than keep them out and not.
He's just a decent player who has let it get to his head. It doesn't help that he responds with the social grace of a severely autistic child to everyone with a slightly different opinion to him.
Interesting how much time and energy I spent on this blog convincing people Tuskers wanted good fights. Turns out that must have just been me.
Was there a lot of "farming" kills? Sure, it's what happens when young pilots take on better SP, experienced players that may have a friend or two. However for the most part PvP was cordial, very little in the way of overwhelming EWAR/boosting alts used and a whole lot of solo vs solo, solo vs small gang and small gang vs small gang action. I got so many 1v1's and very fun 1 vs several fights that I wouldn't be able to count, and the majority of fights were mutually fun occurrences. The sort of situation y'all are in definitely can work if both groups look for fun vs ~elite pvp~.
I will say though basing out of the same station is going to favor the higher SP nerds, as if tuskies are anything like MH denizens, people are going to camp in blap ships and peg people undocking. Something as simple as choosing a different station in the same system would be much more ideal.
Black Rebels are good folks, always up for a good fight in my experience.
Stay Frosty should definately move to Molden Heath, its an amazing stomping ground for low sec pvp, and with the new Dust bunnies playing around, its even better =)
Now that same Tristan is in system and I follow him for four jumps, wait until he's engaged with a Vexor and then kill him? Now that is intentional overcompensation. ( Gosh, this scenario actually happened to me yesterday! lol )
I always try to go get a Tristan to fight a Tristan when possible. I'm not suggesting that everyone has to act that way, it's just the way I choose to play. And the way the Tuskers used to play.
Stay strong Rixx.
And that's where I live. Honestly, Hev VI is in a slightly better location than Hev V, which is why I moved in there originally. Also, not knowing if larger groups moving through would be likely to camp stations, I figured I'd move to the less populated one to be less inconvenienced by such an eventuality. That seems to have backfired. Now if only I can make my way back from Metropolis to Sinq Laison, I might run into your corp.
1v3 wasnt an issue, but 4v3 is? dont make us out to be blobbing you guys when we are just returning the favor :)
Or when my moa killed ur thorax, then u dropped a wolf/myrmidon on me and reshipped to your own moa? That was fine (again another 1v3) but when I drop a macherial (escalation) on ur myrmidon and kill it (even though it was a 1v1, though outclassed, just like I was a minute before) that was horrifying?
Come on rixx, you reap what you sow.
So without mentioning anyone by name I must say you are full of an amazing amount of self-delusional hypocrisy. Yesterday, for example, I engaged Sully in a Domi/Hyperion fight on our station. He was losing. Then another Hyperion lands, along with a Dominix and a Legion.
Two things:
1) I knew this would happen and the Domi was a sacrifice. It was Sully's Domi anyway, a left over from last Summer, so it was free. And insured. I keep hoping that this will placate you. But apparently not.
2) All is fair of course. You guys can camp our station, bring Machariels and BS to kill our frigs, all of which is perfectly fine. But don't pretend it isn't hypocritical and anti-Tusker, because it is obviously so to anyone with half a brain. But just remember that it was the Tuskers that started it.
My hope was that we could both enjoy good fights between us. But that doesn't appear to be the way you guys want it. Which is fine.
please, provide inside to this. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17983051
or this http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17822895
or this? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17813134
Can you explain in any of those situations where we "lied" or "initiated escalation"?
By the way, you never had that hype, he was tanking you on 1 rep. you had a megathron with you 5 minutes before, so I brought in my hype. rob and arc just wanted to whore and did like 6% damage combined.
To be fair I have no problems fighting outshipped/numbered, what I think is the problem is that while ur guys have no qualms about doing it to us, its a problem when we come with more then you.
Matter fact, ive seen no complains from any of your guys at all. Just you.